Before I even
get to my first question, she begins:
NJ: Last Sunday, the Virgin Mary cried blood, a lot of blood.
She cried from Sunday to Wednesday.
SI: Did she tell you why?
NJ: Yes. She was crying blood because of the war. She said,
"I want everybody to pray the rosary at 3 pm everyday."
SI: Did she say anything else about the war in the Middle
NJ: She said to pray. "With your prayer," she said, "you
can stop even more than this war." She said people are not praying
SI: Let's start from the beginning. How did all of this
NJ: The first time it happened was on 26 October 1988 at
9:30 pm. I took my nephew into my parents' bedroom to let him sleep.
We smelled oil. A strong oil smell. My nephew couldn't sleep. He
was crying. I said,"What's this smell? It is very strong." My sister
came to pick up her son. I asked her, "Has anyone been eating french
fries in here?" She said, "No, we're doing dessert. We're not doing
anything with oil." I said, "It smells of oil."She said, "No." As
we left, the smell disappeared. When I came back, the oil smell
returned. In the bedroom there is a picture of the Virgin Mary holding
baby Jesus. When I looked at the picture and held it, oil began
leaking from the picture.
Immediately we called the priest at the local church. We told him
we had something strange happening. He came right away. He checked
the picture, and said, "Don't be worried. Don't faint. This is a
blessing from the Virgin Mary. I don't want anyone to be scared.
This is something very good."
SI: What happened then?
NJ: After that, my mother took the oil and blessed all of
the pictures and statues in the house. Then all the pictures and
statues began producing oil too. We called the priest again and
told him we had all the pictures making oil. He said, "If you still
have this in 15 days, call me back. It means you'll have a message
from the Virgin Mary. If the oil doesn't stop, it means you're going
to have a message for one of the family. I don't know for which
one of you, but one of you is going to receive a message from the
SI: Did that happen after 15 days?
NJ: Yes. After 15 days I received a message from the Virgin
Mary when she appeared the first time. My mother and I were sitting
in the living room with a couple of friends, praying. I saw a lady
coming from the garden outside. She was wearing all white and blue.
I said, "Look, look that lady!" She was passing through the window
like a shadow, a ghost. She was very clear. You could see the Virgin
Mary. I was crying, and said, "Virgin Mary is here! Virgin Mary
is here!" We got on our knees. My mother said, "Don't be afraid.
Pray and ask her." Then I prayed and asked her. Her first words
were, "Peace be with you." I said "Our Father" and "Hail Mary".
Then she said, "One of your family promised me they would put two
statues in front of the house. That member of your family has a
problem. Tell the person to put out the statues, and the problem
will be solved."
SI: Did you know who that was?
NJ: No. After that she left. I asked my mother and father.
I called my brothers, my sister. Then I called my younger brother,
Hani. I asked, "Did you promise the Virgin Mary to put two statues
out, for her and her son?" He hung up the phone on me. Two minutes
later, he was at my house. He said, "How did you know? Nobody knows
this. This is something between me and God." I said, the "The Virgin
Mary told me." That's how it started.
SI: When you saw the Virgin Mary in the living room, did
your family see her too?
NJ: No. Nobody can see her except me.
SI: How did the people start coming to your house?
NJ: By word of mouth. One tells another. We have a small
group, and they tell others. People ask, "Why doesn't the media
come visit you?" It's not that I haven't told them, but my priest
said we don't want lots of people to know. Because I have stigmata.
SI: He was afraid people wouldn't understand?
NJ: No, he said if people started coming more and more, they
would take me away from home. He said, "If you are going to talk
to the television, don't talk too much "One of the priests has a
program on a local cable access channel. He was here and saw everything
and put it on television.
SI: Does the Vatican know about any of this?
NJ: Actually, my priest from back home is in the Vatican
now. He stayed with me here for three days, and took all the messages
to the Vatican.
SI: To show the people there?
NJ: Yes. To the Pope and everybody. My priest told me. "They
didn't deny it. But they also didn't say OK right away." He said,
"With you, they didn't deny it because you have lots of messages
similar to the people in Medjugorje."
SI: Did they say they would investigate it?
NJ: Yes. They have to do that. It takes time. It takes more
than 10 years to prove it.
SI: As I understand, the priest brought some of the oil
to the Vatican and they had it checked out.
NJ: Yes. There is another lady who the Virgin Mary appears
to. Her name is Myrna, and she is from Damascus, Syria. The Virgin
Mary has appeared to her from 1982 until the present. My picture
where the oil first appeared was given to me by that lady. They
tested her oil. It was 100 per cent olive oil, the same as on my
pictures. And they said there was something about the oil ÷ you
can't find it on the earth.
SI: Do you understand what that means?
SI: When I was at your home, you said that they found
it was old oil.
NJ: Very old.
SI: One month, 100 years?
NJ: Over 500 years old.
SI: Why is the oil being produced?
NJ: I asked Virgin Mary, and she said, "The oil is for healing
people." If they believe, and have faith, they will be healed. We
have had lots of miracles. Lots of people have been healed. We have
the papers to prove it. We had a baby born with cancer, and the
cancer disappeared. One lady who wasn't pregnant for 20 years became
pregnant. Lots of miracles.
SI: In the beginning, did you receive messages regularly?
NJ: It varied. Sometimes every two weeks. Sometimes every
day. In the beginning, we weren't writing anything down. Then my
priest told me to write everything down.
SI: What were the messages about?
NJ: She wants everybody to pray the rosary. She doesn't want
anyone to say, I'm Catholic, I'm Orthodox, I'm Protestant. No. They
are all Christians. There is one Jesus, one God. She said, "I want
one church." All of them united into one church. Most of the messages
are for the church, the priests. She said they are changing lots
of things, and to pray for the priests and nuns. She also said,
actually this is one of the messages from Jesus, "Build the church."
I didn't understand what that meant until my priest said, "This
is not for the people. It is for the priests." To build themselves
again, that they are moving away from God. They are changing a lot
of the rules of the church.
SI: Has she told you why she is doing this now?
NJ: She says people have time now to go back to God. There
will come a time that they'll have only five minutes to go back
to God and they won't be able to do it. Now they have a chance.
SI: She's reminding people to go back to God.
NJ: Yes. That's why she's appearing. She's going to visit
a lot of houses, because she says people go to church but they don't
go to pray. She says there are lots of people in their houses that
have more faith than the people who go to church. That's why she's
appearing to people in houses.
SI: Is she still giving you messages?
SI: Do you still see her?
NJ: Yes, in my dreams. I asked her, "How am I going to pray
for the people?" She said, "Whatever you want, I'll hear you. I'll
be in your dreams."
SI: Why have you specifically been selected to do this?
NJ: The Virgin Mary told me, "You are chosen." That's all
( Published in Share International, April 1991 )